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we cannot wait to fix the deficit until we fix the health care system. -- we cannot wait to fix the deficit to fix the health care system. i think including any vat as a way to pay for health care will solve the deficit situation while allowing the flexibility to do what we need to do on health care side. >> go ahead. >> first off, let me say any tax policy should add as its foundation the purposes of creating fairness, but also growth. that is what we should try and have as our goal here, and i think simpson-bowles got it right. i feel strongly about that, that you get a much better tax policy if you reduce rates. on the vat tax, my theory, having served as governor and in the senate for a while, is all government moves left. the speed at which it moves to the left depends -- think of it as a train -- it depends on the engines on the train. the engines are revenue sources. at the federal level it is the capacity to borrow. if you put an engine of the value-added tax on any train, whether a state sales tax or a federal value-added tax, you will dramatically expand the size of the government
we cannot wait to fix the deficit until we fix the health care system. -- we cannot wait to fix the deficit to fix the health care system. i think including any vat as a way to pay for health care will solve the deficit situation while allowing the flexibility to do what we need to do on health care side. >> go ahead. >> first off, let me say any tax policy should add as its foundation the purposes of creating fairness, but also growth. that is what we should try and have as our...
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we went into deficits, deficits as far as the eye could see. deeper and deeper in debt. so you might ask, then, "senator boxer, why are you now supporting those tax cuts being renewed for 98% of the people?" and the answer is, it's a different time and a different place. we're getting out of a recession and we can make up the moneys we need to balance this budget by going just to the top rate, going to the people over $250,000. remember, this plan that we passed in july -- if we could go back to that chart -- that gives a tax break on the first $250,000 of income. and, in essence, giving everybody a tax break on that first $250,000. it's only after that that the taxes go back to clinton era. and because this is a different time and place, i support giving a tax break, continuing it for 98%, but asking the wealthiest to pay their fair share for the greatest country on the face of this earth. my father was born into dire poverty. he was the only one of nine children born in america. he was the only one of nine children to go to college at night in your great state, madam p
we went into deficits, deficits as far as the eye could see. deeper and deeper in debt. so you might ask, then, "senator boxer, why are you now supporting those tax cuts being renewed for 98% of the people?" and the answer is, it's a different time and a different place. we're getting out of a recession and we can make up the moneys we need to balance this budget by going just to the top rate, going to the people over $250,000. remember, this plan that we passed in july -- if we could...
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and he ran on a plan by saying that those savings would then be aplayed to deficit -- applied to deficit reduction, which we know is so critical. and we saw what people thought about that. he was reelected by a wide margin. the american people want us to come together, to work together in a bipartisan way to reduce the deficit, and they support the approach that starts by making sure that middle-class families are not once again asked to pay for the full burden of what needs to be done. they support an effort that says, extend tax cuts for middle-class families and ask those at the very top, who have gotten extra tax cuts, to forego those and chip in to be part of the larger deficit reduction solution. unfortunately, yesterday, speaker boehner ignored this when he offered a republican counterproposal to the president's proposal that would essentially raise taxes on middle-class families and cut medicare for our senior citizens. as senator reid said yesterday, it flunks the test of balance. to get the kind of revenue to reduce the deficit that is needed, and that we all agree on has to be
and he ran on a plan by saying that those savings would then be aplayed to deficit -- applied to deficit reduction, which we know is so critical. and we saw what people thought about that. he was reelected by a wide margin. the american people want us to come together, to work together in a bipartisan way to reduce the deficit, and they support the approach that starts by making sure that middle-class families are not once again asked to pay for the full burden of what needs to be done. they...
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and when i say a full deck of cards, that includes defense participating in deficit reduction. this cannot be in the case of defense a sledgehammer approach. it's going to take a long runway dealing with these issues over time to give the defense department, and they can make, in my view, very significant changes in the budget, but do it in a way that does not damage our security. doing it abruptly as the fiscal cliff does or in a very compressed time frame is not only inefficient, i think it endangers our security and our risk. my final point is that the missing element in this town is primarily political will, and i say that in regard to both political parties. and the solution, the solution that has to be forthcoming in the weeks ahead and the months ahead require our leaders -- will require our leaders to, first of all, put our nation first. that has got to be the primary focus of our political leadership, to put the interest of our country first. so thank you, pete, for your leadership. thank you, admiral mullen. and it's always a great pleasure for me to be here with john
and when i say a full deck of cards, that includes defense participating in deficit reduction. this cannot be in the case of defense a sledgehammer approach. it's going to take a long runway dealing with these issues over time to give the defense department, and they can make, in my view, very significant changes in the budget, but do it in a way that does not damage our security. doing it abruptly as the fiscal cliff does or in a very compressed time frame is not only inefficient, i think it...
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he does not want to address the deficit. he should be calling for tax rate increases across the board and the elimination of many of the deductions that currently deprive the treasury of quite a bit of revenue. there is a lot of talk about how raising the tax rate for the top tier of newcomers will bring in -- income earners wil bring in like de dollars billion per year. at the same time -- in like $80 billion. the losses from the mortgage rate deduction is on the order of $100 billion per year. i believe president obama really wants to spend more money. spending is so important that he has to call for shared sacrifice across the board rather than targeting a very small portion of the population and asking them to pay all the bills for the programs that he wants to spend on. host: do you agree with the grover norquist tax pledge to not raise taxes? caller: in service of the tax rates? yes, i do. i am also left scratching my head because i believe when the bush tax cuts were put into effect that many democrats oppose those as
he does not want to address the deficit. he should be calling for tax rate increases across the board and the elimination of many of the deductions that currently deprive the treasury of quite a bit of revenue. there is a lot of talk about how raising the tax rate for the top tier of newcomers will bring in -- income earners wil bring in like de dollars billion per year. at the same time -- in like $80 billion. the losses from the mortgage rate deduction is on the order of $100 billion per...
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they said it would woesen the budget deficit decrease quality, and fail to produce economic growth. well what happened? [ bell chimes ] >> stephanie: exactly that. [ ♪ patriotic music ♪ ] >> stephanie: since then the budget deficit has ballooned, the economy has spiraled into the greatest decline since the great depression history has proved that 450 economists were exactly correct. this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still there will be no decreases in social security, medicare and veteran's benefits. defense spending would take a big hit, but because of a windown in afghanistan some military leaders are asking for less than congress is willing to shell out. from 1990 to 1999 defense spending decreased by 1% a year. this weakened
they said it would woesen the budget deficit decrease quality, and fail to produce economic growth. well what happened? [ bell chimes ] >> stephanie: exactly that. [ ♪ patriotic music ♪ ] >> stephanie: since then the budget deficit has ballooned, the economy has spiraled into the greatest decline since the great depression history has proved that 450 economists were exactly correct. this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it...
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when i see a full deck of cards, that includes those participating in deficit reduction. it must be used over time and they can make very significant changes in the budget and do it in a way that does not damage our security. doing it abruptly as the fiscal cliff does, or any timeframe, it is not only inefficient, i think it endangers our security and our wrists. my final point is that missing element is primarily political will and i say that in regard to both political parties and the solution. the solution has to be forthcoming in the weeks ahead in the months ahead require our leaders and put our nation first. that has to be the primary focus of our political leadership. to put the interest of our country first. thank you for your leadership, thank you as well mike mullen. it is also a great privilege to be here with john warren and mr. isaac skelton. ,. >> thank you. thank you for putting this effort together. we thank admiral mike mullen, whose efforts have been outstanding for this effort. the late barbara -- barbara tuchman wrote a book entitled "march of folly."
when i see a full deck of cards, that includes those participating in deficit reduction. it must be used over time and they can make very significant changes in the budget and do it in a way that does not damage our security. doing it abruptly as the fiscal cliff does, or any timeframe, it is not only inefficient, i think it endangers our security and our wrists. my final point is that missing element is primarily political will and i say that in regard to both political parties and the...
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we go into 2013 with still a trillion dollar a deficit. the question i ask you two and president obama is what's act two? what do we do next? >> he lumped us all in together. david, you do agree with stephen an one thing. there is work to be done on curtailing inefficient spending? >> there always will be. that's shooting fish in a barrel. the best funded program we have is social security. we shouldn't talk about cutting it. health care. for every dollar the other three modern countries in the world spend per capita in comparable dollars, we spend $2.64. we still have 50 million people without insurance. if we could get france's health care system, widely regarded as the best in the world we could eliminate social security taxes or 80% of individual income taxes and have the same deficit. by the way, if you look at the federal budget numbers the federal budget deficit is coming way down. the economy is improving. higher taxes allow us to create jobs by investing in things that work it. if we replace foundations of granite with sand and th
we go into 2013 with still a trillion dollar a deficit. the question i ask you two and president obama is what's act two? what do we do next? >> he lumped us all in together. david, you do agree with stephen an one thing. there is work to be done on curtailing inefficient spending? >> there always will be. that's shooting fish in a barrel. the best funded program we have is social security. we shouldn't talk about cutting it. health care. for every dollar the other three modern...
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. >> the percentage of your debt -- not the deficit to gdp? >> deficit to gdp. now, we do not want to get there that way. the same way we do not want to go over the fiscal class. the fiscal cliff is big austerity -- you get $seven trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. but you do not do it you really want to do it. when it comes to the baseline, you have to work together as part of an agreement to get to the right baseline. that does not mean it is not real world deficit-reduction. it is. does it mean it is better than current law? maybe not. but there is agreement that current law, including the fiscal cliff, is not the best way. >> we have our baseline. deficit to gdp? >> did i say that? >> just to be clear -- if you look to the 10-year period on the current base line and get under 1% deficit to gdp in 10 years -- >> because you get seven years of debt reduction under current law. >> if anyone wants to read more, please read the piece on what it takes. i thank you all for being here today. one reason we have to and is these poor people will be so instrum
. >> the percentage of your debt -- not the deficit to gdp? >> deficit to gdp. now, we do not want to get there that way. the same way we do not want to go over the fiscal class. the fiscal cliff is big austerity -- you get $seven trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. but you do not do it you really want to do it. when it comes to the baseline, you have to work together as part of an agreement to get to the right baseline. that does not mean it is not real world...
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the focus of this effort to reduce deficits now is on getting them, in the federal budget deficit to the range of 3% or so. that is what i mean when i say policymakers are not trying to get rid of the budget deficits. given the economic weakness, a little bit of deficit spending is probably not a terrible thing, at least in the eyes of some budget economists. i think there would be comfort in washington around 3% of gdp. getting there is a big challenge. there are problems with medicare and social security. they are facing big deficit situations. host: what motivates the creation of deductions? what about the other incentives? mortgage deduction it to encourage people to buy a home. guest: some of the deductions have been around forever, since the invention of the income tax. there has always been a deduction for interest that you paid. the government didn't think it could distinguish between mortgage interest and other kinds of interest. less interest is deductible now. some of the things are left over from the early days of the tax code. there is no magic about allowing people to d
the focus of this effort to reduce deficits now is on getting them, in the federal budget deficit to the range of 3% or so. that is what i mean when i say policymakers are not trying to get rid of the budget deficits. given the economic weakness, a little bit of deficit spending is probably not a terrible thing, at least in the eyes of some budget economists. i think there would be comfort in washington around 3% of gdp. getting there is a big challenge. there are problems with medicare and...
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we needed more aggregate demand, deficit spending, we needed public worse an easy money policy. that is what the economy needed. i think our problem is we didn't get enough. >> eliot: it's fascinating you articulated this way. judge poser was an iconic voice within the chicago school of economic supply. he went through the same transformation saying different circumstances call for different responses. you don't disavow of word of margenal rates. >> that's exactly right. i don't understand this idea of cocky cutter economics where you simply do the same thing regardless of circumstances. you analyze the data, look at the economy, you come up with policies that are appropriate. >> eliot: now, you have been a rather harsh critic of the way the second president bush ran the economy basically saying he disa vowed principles and put in place massive spending without caring about deficits at all. you were there. what happened as you saw this and did you push back? >> oh, yes i wrote a book called imposter, president bush destroyed the economy. which got me fired from my think tank job
we needed more aggregate demand, deficit spending, we needed public worse an easy money policy. that is what the economy needed. i think our problem is we didn't get enough. >> eliot: it's fascinating you articulated this way. judge poser was an iconic voice within the chicago school of economic supply. he went through the same transformation saying different circumstances call for different responses. you don't disavow of word of margenal rates. >> that's exactly right. i don't...
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since then, we have that $1.20 trillion deficits, $1.30 trillion deficits, and it simply is not enough. let's do some realistic mathematics, which everyone is ignoring. if we do some honest macros scoring, if you have a goal of stabilizing, it is not enough, because we get the demographic bust happening to us in 2020. we actually have to have our debt coming down if we have any chance of surviving the entitlements, so that is not enough. you really have to get a number like $6 trillion or $7 trillion, ok? let's give the president his fantasy about what he can get from the rich. we have got $1.20 trillion to go. i am sorry. not fighting the wars in iraq and afghanistan is not savings, any more than my not by a maserati next year is a savings. where are we going to get the money? we will need that in the future. say we get another $1.80 trillion in discretionary cuts. where are you going to get the other $3 trillion? there is only one other thing out here, and we do not want to admit it, and that leads ultimately you have to get money from others than the rich, and that is why i was inte
since then, we have that $1.20 trillion deficits, $1.30 trillion deficits, and it simply is not enough. let's do some realistic mathematics, which everyone is ignoring. if we do some honest macros scoring, if you have a goal of stabilizing, it is not enough, because we get the demographic bust happening to us in 2020. we actually have to have our debt coming down if we have any chance of surviving the entitlements, so that is not enough. you really have to get a number like $6 trillion or $7...
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every step that you can take to reduce the deficit is good. you negate the large ones and that's why they are not able. it is it simpson bowles. it is it there forever. noven them grabbed it or used it and coming up. unable to pay back. it is the first time everybody >> college loans getting a failing grade. initiative deling quent student loan are surpassing the deling quent credit card bances. >> it bothers me on so many levels and not because of my three kids going to college. we have an economic issue. kids are coming out of college and no job to pay off the loan. their disposable income is lower. they will be living at home . can't bay the first car or tv or anything. the only reason they have loans, college hike tuition because they get free government money to pay for it. >> john than what does that do to the economy over all? >> it hurts the economy. any time the government involves in ethanoyl or kid's education or health care or housing it lead toz destruction. the pearl student loan went up five percent. 85 percent of that is held b
every step that you can take to reduce the deficit is good. you negate the large ones and that's why they are not able. it is it simpson bowles. it is it there forever. noven them grabbed it or used it and coming up. unable to pay back. it is the first time everybody >> college loans getting a failing grade. initiative deling quent student loan are surpassing the deling quent credit card bances. >> it bothers me on so many levels and not because of my three kids going to college. we...
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deficit-reduction. what does reduce the deficit is jobs, job creation. what we need are the revenues, and that is what you have to ask the question about. why are we not here to pass additional tax cuts, which increases the high-end contribution to the budget talks? why are we not here to pass middle-income tax cuts? what are we not even here to debate the middle-income tax cut? can it be because the republicans are holding this as they have all along hostage to tax cuts for the wealthy? as long as they will not touch one hair on the head or get one red cent of their rich, to reduce the deficit, to create jobs, to grow the economy, to improve the lives of the american people -- >> the speaker was asking about middle ground. do you necessarily rule it out? is it your understanding that that is something he would accept? >> what we want to do is protect the middle class. it is not above the rate. it is about the money. the objection to extending it is about being punitive to the high end. it is about getting money to reduce the deficit, to grow the economy
deficit-reduction. what does reduce the deficit is jobs, job creation. what we need are the revenues, and that is what you have to ask the question about. why are we not here to pass additional tax cuts, which increases the high-end contribution to the budget talks? why are we not here to pass middle-income tax cuts? what are we not even here to debate the middle-income tax cut? can it be because the republicans are holding this as they have all along hostage to tax cuts for the wealthy? as...
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does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth during this past decade. we're finally now after ten straight years of manufacturing job decline hitting places like toledo and cleveland and cincinnati particularly hard, we're seeing now in the last two years after the auto rescue, after we're doing some of the right things here, we're seeing job growth. i agree with what nancy pelosi said. history improves itself. >> so based on history, this is about math and not ideology. the sense i get on the hill today, if you don't get the rate increase, you can forget everything else. >> we have seen in this country a decline in infrastr
does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth...
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every step that you can take to reduce the deficit is good. you negate the large ones and that's why they are not able. it is it simpson bowles. is it there forever. noven them grabbed it or used it and coming up. unable to pay back. unable to pay back. it is the first time everybody [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. >> college loans getting a failing grade. initiative deling quent student loan are surssing the deling quent credit card bances. >> it bothers me on so many levels and not because of my three kids going to college. we have an economic issue. kids are coming out of college and no job to pay off the loan. their disposable income is lower. they will be living at home . can't bay the f
every step that you can take to reduce the deficit is good. you negate the large ones and that's why they are not able. it is it simpson bowles. is it there forever. noven them grabbed it or used it and coming up. unable to pay back. unable to pay back. it is the first time everybody [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go....
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this isn't about the deficit for them or balance. it's about an ideological campaign that most americans thought would have ended on november 6, and that's also why the president sent secretary geithner up here last week with a proposal so completely ridiculous it wouldn't have passed the house, as i indicated earlier, if nancy pelosi were still speaker. it was more of a provocation than a proposal, to be perfectly frank about it. it was a message that the president doesn't want to deal at all. to date not a single democrat has come forward to support the geithner proposal, and anybody who actually looks at the details would certainly understand why. as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic grow
this isn't about the deficit for them or balance. it's about an ideological campaign that most americans thought would have ended on november 6, and that's also why the president sent secretary geithner up here last week with a proposal so completely ridiculous it wouldn't have passed the house, as i indicated earlier, if nancy pelosi were still speaker. it was more of a provocation than a proposal, to be perfectly frank about it. it was a message that the president doesn't want to deal at all....
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you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: that's right. pesi sys we cannot get our way to deficit reduction. listen to the top democrat in the house of representatives, the former speaker of the house unveiling -- on dealing with the fiscal crisis one more time. >> in my homes across america ad is a very, very lean time. you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: today said minority leader appeared to be trying to outperform policy and the political rhetoric of the absurd . senator reid's reason to be wary of reducing spending. >> the european communitynow is concerned about all the austerity. there are many, many things you can do to reduce debt but still have a stimulus aspect of the economy. >> that -- u: the senate's top democrat believes we should return to europe for inspiration and guidance for fiscal policy, taking greece, perhaps, as a standard for dealing with economic and budget crises. the speaker did a charge the president is slow walking the nation to the brink of a fiscal cliff. that is one of the
you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: that's right. pesi sys we cannot get our way to deficit reduction. listen to the top democrat in the house of representatives, the former speaker of the house unveiling -- on dealing with the fiscal crisis one more time. >> in my homes across america ad is a very, very lean time. you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: today said minority leader appeared to be trying to outperform policy and the political rhetoric of the absurd...
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bush inherited a surplus and left with a massive deficit. didn't monitor the financial system and so on. the most important point is david's right about, which is there's no such thing as a presidential referendum election. i've covered ten of these and they've all been choices. why? because these two candidates live in everybody's living rooms. people make a judgment about their character -- >> reagan was partially positive, just anti -- >> oh that became a choice election after reagan appeared in that one debate against carter and people said, hey, he isn't so bad. i have a choice. >> one of the other players, besides the two candidates was bill clinton, the former president, don't think anybody made a better case of making the case for obama than bill clinton. at the convention a critical moment when he explained the arithmetic of what obama inherited. >> in tampa the republican argument against the president's re-election was pretty simple, pretty snappy. it went something like this. we left him a total mess. he hadn't cleaned it up fast
bush inherited a surplus and left with a massive deficit. didn't monitor the financial system and so on. the most important point is david's right about, which is there's no such thing as a presidential referendum election. i've covered ten of these and they've all been choices. why? because these two candidates live in everybody's living rooms. people make a judgment about their character -- >> reagan was partially positive, just anti -- >> oh that became a choice election after...
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well, we're all going to put our heads in the sand and say that entitlement are not the drivers of the deficit. >> you don't think he put enough detail on the entitlements? >> no. >> we'll ask him that when he comes back. our question of the day is how many current senators are named john? any spelling of the name counts. the answer is 12. isakson, kyl, boozman, mccain, tester, thune, reed, and rockefeller. that's not counting the two senators whose last name is johnson. you didn't have to come over! actually, honey, i think i did... oh? you did? whoa, ladies, easy. hi. cascade kitchen counselor. we can help avoid this with cascade complete pacs. see, over time, cascade complete pacs fight film buildup two times better than finish quantum. to help leave glasses sparkling shiny! too bad it doesn't work on windows. okay, i'm outta here. cascade. the clear choice. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forg
well, we're all going to put our heads in the sand and say that entitlement are not the drivers of the deficit. >> you don't think he put enough detail on the entitlements? >> no. >> we'll ask him that when he comes back. our question of the day is how many current senators are named john? any spelling of the name counts. the answer is 12. isakson, kyl, boozman, mccain, tester, thune, reed, and rockefeller. that's not counting the two senators whose last name is johnson. you...
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take. >> host: you are part of a team of six, another deficit solving committee. our kidneys i got effective? >> guest: i think the greatest mistake this president has made is not embracing simpson-bowles. we wouldn't be here today, had you taken a simpson-bowles trimmer, even though there was a lot i didn't like. i've voted to move it so we would have the debate two years ago, two plus years ago. had we had the debate to bush's ago and put something on the floor, we would have seen something past. we would've allowed the legislative process -- we're not allowing the legislative process. i mean, there's 25 bills that come out of the house that won't see the light of day in the senate for political reasons, not because they don't address real problems for the country. so what we still have these people playing politics, and how does it impact the election, how does it impact how we look rather than the barn is burning down. so what we ought to be is, what i see is politics is trumping policy all around. one of my great discouragements in washington today is the lac
take. >> host: you are part of a team of six, another deficit solving committee. our kidneys i got effective? >> guest: i think the greatest mistake this president has made is not embracing simpson-bowles. we wouldn't be here today, had you taken a simpson-bowles trimmer, even though there was a lot i didn't like. i've voted to move it so we would have the debate two years ago, two plus years ago. had we had the debate to bush's ago and put something on the floor, we would have seen...
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isn't the tax debate now blocking progress towards the larger issue which is getting -- attacking the deficit with real spending cuts? >> i think there is, but let me make very apparent i think the speaker is right. i think the proposal he's put on the table is a great proposal that we ought to not raise rates. there's other ways to get revenue that honestly are more economically productive in the long term. having said that, again, i think you might be better served to do this in pieces. first, we disagree with the democrats on a lot of things but we don't disagree about the 98% of the american people. we don't think their taxes should go up. to me since that's a point of agreement and doesn't affect either side's negotiating position on the other issues we ought to remove it from the table. make sure most americans don't have to worry about their taxes going up. having said that, again, i think the speaker's right on in terms of the proposal he's put out there. most importantly, he couples it with something the president doesn't, which is really significant spending cuts and entitlepment re
isn't the tax debate now blocking progress towards the larger issue which is getting -- attacking the deficit with real spending cuts? >> i think there is, but let me make very apparent i think the speaker is right. i think the proposal he's put on the table is a great proposal that we ought to not raise rates. there's other ways to get revenue that honestly are more economically productive in the long term. having said that, again, i think you might be better served to do this in pieces....
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you cannot cut your way to deficit retacks. what does reduce the deficit are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7% unemployment because so many people left the workforce. 146,000 jobs. the question a lot of people are asking is when are we going get back to good honest job creation to grow the economy? what is it going to take? >> political will in a word. what is interesting about the jobs numbers and the economy in general is that it's not so much the fundamentals of the economy. businesses who hire people who create jobs which nancy pelosi is looking for are looking for political will out of washington. they are looking for certainty on the fiscal cliff. certainty that debt re
you cannot cut your way to deficit retacks. what does reduce the deficit are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7%...
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it has no effect on deficit. it will have no effect on rescuing us and i think republicans ought not play that game. it doesn't help the economy. >> stephanie: how many times can we -- can it be said and proven the deficits were caused by the bush tax cuts? >> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the fiscal cliff. this wasn't a campaign issue. no one even talked about it. >> stephanie: right. >> the idea that this is all obama's fault. it has nothing to do with the $3 trillion war paid for with taxes. >> stephanie: eric boehlert remains in the sidecar. we continue with right-wing world next on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: it's really weird but it's also the coolest thing i've ever heard in my whole life. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can
it has no effect on deficit. it will have no effect on rescuing us and i think republicans ought not play that game. it doesn't help the economy. >> stephanie: how many times can we -- can it be said and proven the deficits were caused by the bush tax cuts? >> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the...
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his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are, he knows what we are throwing do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, because it's been said but we've never seen a piece of paper; it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and to slow cost of living adjustments for social security what you were in your debt talks in august ofs2011. >> it was on the table. did the president agree to it? it may have been close to an agreement to it. if he agreed to it we might not have some problem today. >> is that on the table now. of course, it's on the table. >> no, is it on the table from their point of view. >> well, there are a lot of items on the table. the president knows what they are. the question is what are they willing to do. >> you are starting it have some political problems because you are starting to have some split necessary your ranks. i don't have to tell you one of the top
his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are, he knows what we are throwing do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, because it's been said but we've never seen a piece of paper; it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and to slow cost of living adjustments for social security what you were in your debt talks in august ofs2011. >>...
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last i looked at the trade deficit, we were, again, lagging and uke sucking popped water. there's a rising deficit stripping our gdp. >> and right now europe is in a relatively deep recession. we're still above water. lou: you jumped all over the punch line because you talk about things not making sense. folks, this is not making sense. i'm delighted because people have wealth left in the equities market, the bond market. how long will that be the case if we go over the cliff? >> won't be the case for long if we have a recession followed by a typical bear market. lou: how long to get to recession -- >> we can get there pretty quick. in fact, some of the down downdrafts are starting to form. we saw those in the q3 gdp numbers were sinking into @%ntraction. lou: 2.7 -- >> employment reports gnar november and december, not surprised if gains in private sector payrolls are well over 100,000 new jobs. lou: that would not be good. baseline at least, i think, for passable is 125. what's your judgment? >> about the same, okay, that's a c-minus grade, get a "c" if we hit 150. lou:
last i looked at the trade deficit, we were, again, lagging and uke sucking popped water. there's a rising deficit stripping our gdp. >> and right now europe is in a relatively deep recession. we're still above water. lou: you jumped all over the punch line because you talk about things not making sense. folks, this is not making sense. i'm delighted because people have wealth left in the equities market, the bond market. how long will that be the case if we go over the cliff? >>...
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balanced deficit reduction package that will do enormous good to our economy. and the kind of package that i should not leave out, that includes targeted investments so our economy continues to grow and create jobs. it would, as i said on a number of occasions, deficit reduction in an of itself is not a goal, it should be part of an economic plan is that is focused on economic growth and job creation. the president is very focus odden that. >> just a second ago, you referred to, when talking about the debt ceiling, taking it off the table, to be part of the deal. you referred to the economy being held hostage. you're aware that president obama voted against -- >> we addressed that. there was no threat of default at the time. what happened in 2011, as we all know because we all lived it, most of us in this room, was the threat of default, a willingness expressed by many to see the american economy under default and with all the consequent impacts on the global economy and on the american middle class. . in order to do that and was enormously damaging to consumer
balanced deficit reduction package that will do enormous good to our economy. and the kind of package that i should not leave out, that includes targeted investments so our economy continues to grow and create jobs. it would, as i said on a number of occasions, deficit reduction in an of itself is not a goal, it should be part of an economic plan is that is focused on economic growth and job creation. the president is very focus odden that. >> just a second ago, you referred to, when...
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i mean, we have a -- we have a big problem in terms of the deficits we're running. but let me just ask you this crucial question about where we're going to go from here, grover. because i know you have this kind of soul-searching moment in front of you. where you can keep going ahead and saying no revenue, right? has to be revenue-neutral. and you might lose. or you can start to bend a little bit. are you going to have to start to bend? >> well, i'm in favor of more revenue. if you talk about the tax reform that speaker boehner has talked about in the letter that he and all the republican leadership sent to obama asking him to get serious about spending restraint, which he hasn't done yet -- >> but can i just clarify -- >> reduce rates and broaden the base. >> it didn't say for sure let's reduce rates. >> yes, it did. >> it opened the door to reducing rates -- john boehner has put on the table before he would be willing to raise revenue without cutting rates. >> no, in the context of tax reform, i think the letter is very clear. in the context of tax reform, which r
i mean, we have a -- we have a big problem in terms of the deficits we're running. but let me just ask you this crucial question about where we're going to go from here, grover. because i know you have this kind of soul-searching moment in front of you. where you can keep going ahead and saying no revenue, right? has to be revenue-neutral. and you might lose. or you can start to bend a little bit. are you going to have to start to bend? >> well, i'm in favor of more revenue. if you talk...
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and looks like it will be hard to beat that deficit. you can see with a warm front is to the south of us. annapolis south, readings are in the 50's. north of that in the blue, readings in the 40's. 39 in oakland. milder air tomorrow. the movement of warmer air to the north will generate fog. some drizzle and a shower activity and most of the act of rainfall will be of to our north and northwest. we need to get a system through here before we're done with the threat of wet weather and that will not be until tomorrow night or tuesday morning. trading in an east wind we have now for a more southern win by tomorrow bringing temperatures up. by the end of tomorrow, this one will come through and bring the chance for some rain and possibly a rumble of thunder. temperatures just do not drop all that much. light rain, drizzle love of with the wind subtle at daybreak. during the day tomorrow, we can expect 63-67 high. there may be some breaks, but as the jazz clouds and showers activity. most of it will be at the end of the day. you may hear a c
and looks like it will be hard to beat that deficit. you can see with a warm front is to the south of us. annapolis south, readings are in the 50's. north of that in the blue, readings in the 40's. 39 in oakland. milder air tomorrow. the movement of warmer air to the north will generate fog. some drizzle and a shower activity and most of the act of rainfall will be of to our north and northwest. we need to get a system through here before we're done with the threat of wet weather and that will...
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but you've got to be committed to some kind of real deficit reduction. and that's where, beyond the spending, being serious about entitlements, there's got to at least be some framework that says, look, we are going to reduce the size and the scope of government. and that's -- finding that pain point on both sides so it's not a lopsided deal will at least give republicans the room to argue, look, we can take this pain. we've won some concessions back, but we have to do this. >> that should be done in private and together. >> and again, though, the ratio between tax increases to spending cuts is a wide, wide gap. medicare and medicaid and social security together, taken with interest and the debt, that's consuming every dime that's coming into washington, d.c., right now. people talk about -- democrats have talked about for a decade, the bush tax cuts. they've driven up the national debt. fine. if that's the case, why is it that the president, as you've said earlier, is embracing 98% of the bush tax cuts? >> except that isn't true. >> of course it's not t
but you've got to be committed to some kind of real deficit reduction. and that's where, beyond the spending, being serious about entitlements, there's got to at least be some framework that says, look, we are going to reduce the size and the scope of government. and that's -- finding that pain point on both sides so it's not a lopsided deal will at least give republicans the room to argue, look, we can take this pain. we've won some concessions back, but we have to do this. >> that...
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based off the simpson bowles commission, his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are and what we are willing to do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> chris: well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, it is said -- we have never seen a piece of paper. is it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and slow cost of living adjustments for social security when you were in your debt talks in august of 2011? >> it was on the table. did the president agree to it... he may have been close to an agreement to it. if he agreed to it, we might not have this problem today. >> chris: is that on the table now. >> of course it is. >> chris: no, from their point of view? >> listen, there are a lot of items on the table. the president knows what they are. the question is, what are they willing to do. >> chris: you are starting to have political problems, because you are starting to have splits in your ranks, i don't have to tell you you one of the top congressional republ
based off the simpson bowles commission, his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are and what we are willing to do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> chris: well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, it is said -- we have never seen a piece of paper. is it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and slow cost of living adjustments for social security when you were in your debt...
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it is not part of the american deficit. it's an issue that over the years has come back before the american public. the congresses in the past have dealt with it, extended the viability of social security for years and years, and this congress does not need to deal with this problem this year or even next year, the 113th congress. down the road it must be dealt with and there are numerous ways it can be, but to bring social security into the deficit debate is only to cloud this debate and to make it far more difficult for us to find a solution. now, my democratic colleagues and i and the president have made it very clear, we understand the necessity of solving this problem. we are willing to compromise. and the president has put on the table a very complex, detailed program about how we can deal with the deficit, both in the short term and the years ahead. and we need to proceed with that, unfortunately it was just simply dismissed and a new, actually a rebaked, redone, rehashed proposal put on the table by our republican c
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they have been able to reduce the deficits. tax increases have been able to stick around for a while. may be a democrat will pass a tax increase and then 15 years later a republican will cut it again. host: rachel in texas. caller: hello. i have two questions to ask. the expense it cost them to move overseas? can that be used as a deductible? our representatives are part of the 47%. what does that cost the taxpayers in taxes? what part of our taxes is paid in their insurance? guest: the answer to the first businessess that this are supposed to deduct all other expenses and that could include closing down a factory and opening up a factory overseas. it will include anything. so democrats have proposed a little change to the tax law which would prevent companies from being able to do that but it would raise that much money, unfortunately. i'm sorry about the other question about health insurance for lawmakers. host: thomas in winter park, florida. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. the current tax code is a desce
they have been able to reduce the deficits. tax increases have been able to stick around for a while. may be a democrat will pass a tax increase and then 15 years later a republican will cut it again. host: rachel in texas. caller: hello. i have two questions to ask. the expense it cost them to move overseas? can that be used as a deductible? our representatives are part of the 47%. what does that cost the taxpayers in taxes? what part of our taxes is paid in their insurance? guest: the answer...
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and it is, over the long-term, projected to be the biggest contributor to deficits down the road. which mean people in the country, voters everywhere, love medicare and do not want it to be cut. and wonks in washington, d.c. spend their time trying to figure out how to cut medicare. both democrat and republican. and with this very thorny contradiction in mind, politicians and think tank analysts and the like have developed a whole secondary-coated language to talk about medicare. so premium support instead of privatizing medicare, and structural medicare reform instead of raising the eligibility age. now, remember the context for all this. this is important. remember that phrase we first started hearing at the start of the health reform debate, which may be apocryphal, "keep government hands off my medicare." the big tea party uprising was in large part a reaction to the idea, quote/unquote, of socialized medicine. it was the affordable care act, and the government, quote, takeover of health care, that fanned the flames of the post-obama tea party protest. but, of course, most of
and it is, over the long-term, projected to be the biggest contributor to deficits down the road. which mean people in the country, voters everywhere, love medicare and do not want it to be cut. and wonks in washington, d.c. spend their time trying to figure out how to cut medicare. both democrat and republican. and with this very thorny contradiction in mind, politicians and think tank analysts and the like have developed a whole secondary-coated language to talk about medicare. so premium...
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how do we get a handle on the growing $16 trillion deficit? coming up next, tim murphy of pennsylvania will be here to tell us what else the nation needs to do to get our economic house in order. have you heard about that tragic situation, josh brent, cowboys defensive lineman? he faces cter a car crash that killed one of his teammates? that's straight ahead. >> it's really unfortunate that that happened, making an everyday decision that can affect everything everybody's life. >> i am sure it will be difficult to move on. but i am sure they will bounce back and be able to come around. s my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >> jamie: another sad story out of the,r of the nfl. a member of the dallas cowboys is facing manslaughter. josh brent was allegedly drunk and speeding during a car accident saturday morning that led to the death of his passenger and teammate jerry brown. ca
how do we get a handle on the growing $16 trillion deficit? coming up next, tim murphy of pennsylvania will be here to tell us what else the nation needs to do to get our economic house in order. have you heard about that tragic situation, josh brent, cowboys defensive lineman? he faces cter a car crash that killed one of his teammates? that's straight ahead. >> it's really unfortunate that that happened, making an everyday decision that can affect everything everybody's life. >> i...
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we look at the federal deficits. greg of new hampshire talks about ways to make the health care reform more efficient. this is an hour of 10 minutes. >> if you don't chime in i will pick on you and bring you into the conversation. you have insights and perspectives that are unique and we would like to hear from you and hear some of the ideas on the table. maybe gene and senator portman will get some ideas from this group. again, we look forward to that. i work at bloomberg television. i've been covering these issues for most of my career. it seems like an a huge issue for our audience not only for the united states but also around the world. i'm going to end this thing on time at 12:30 today because the president is granting bloomberg an exclusive interview today. if you miss it, you can catch it at 8:00 tonight. an important time for our coverage as well. let me go around the table and give you a quick introduction to everyone. i have interviewed you at various times. first of all, pete on the end, long time senator
we look at the federal deficits. greg of new hampshire talks about ways to make the health care reform more efficient. this is an hour of 10 minutes. >> if you don't chime in i will pick on you and bring you into the conversation. you have insights and perspectives that are unique and we would like to hear from you and hear some of the ideas on the table. maybe gene and senator portman will get some ideas from this group. again, we look forward to that. i work at bloomberg television....
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if you're really going to be serious about deficit reduction, it can't just be about taxes. it has to be about spending cuts, too. >> prince william and wife catherine is out of the hospital after being admitted for acute morning sickness. >> told the hospital stay would last at few days and that's exactly what it turned out to be. >>> software executive john mcafee no longer a fugitive. arre arrested after his neighbor was murdered. >> police didn't know where he was. >> now that marijuana is legal here in washington, the state will going to start cleshgting taxes on it. >> gangnam style. >> there is no one in political life funnier than alan simpson. >> mayor michael bloomberg announced new york will hold a contest to redesign the city's pay phones. now, a brand new -- >> "eye-opener" at 8:00 is brought to you by the aarp. >>> i'm charlie rose with gayle king and norah o'donnell. this morning, prince william's wife catherine is back home in london after three days in the hospital. >> the pregnant duchess of cambridge was being treated for an acute form of morning sickness.
if you're really going to be serious about deficit reduction, it can't just be about taxes. it has to be about spending cuts, too. >> prince william and wife catherine is out of the hospital after being admitted for acute morning sickness. >> told the hospital stay would last at few days and that's exactly what it turned out to be. >>> software executive john mcafee no longer a fugitive. arre arrested after his neighbor was murdered. >> police didn't know where he...